Also, the shenanigans would be kind of hilarious if both Marvel and DC announced plans to put out Captain Marvel films this weekend, and suddenly Marvel feels the need to speed up production of a woman tentpole film to ensure DC calls their Captain Marvel film “Shazam” instead of fucking with the Marvel comics box office takes by beating them to the punch.
Wishful thinking announcements I’d like to see out of the big two at SDCC this weekend:
Marvel: Ant-Man isn’t working out right now, so we’re pushing it back so we can do it right.
Marvel: We are instead ramping up production on solo Falcon and Black Widow films.
Marvel: We have slated our Phase 3 films, at the forefront is Black Panther and Captain Marvel.
Marvel: Yes, Captain Marvel will be Carol Danvers, but we’ll see a second lady donning the red, gold, and blue by the end of the film.
DC: Confirmed Jason Momoa for Aquaman.
DC: Confirmed Dwayne Johnson for Shazam/Captain Marvel.
DC: Announce increased focus on executing their own movie line
DC: Leading our lineup will be Justice League, Shazam, and Wonder Woman.
DC: Still finalizing the order, but Cyborg, Aquaman, Vixen, Green Lantern/Flash, Batwoman, Hawkman/Hawkgirl, Justice League International, and a Teen Titans film aimed at the younger auduiences are in early planning stages.
I swear the entire DC Comics versus Marvel shenanigans is like Microsoft versus Apple. Both companies do great stuff. But companies do a lot of not good stuff. Both deserve praise for the good and shaming for the bad. And yet… because DC is more or less failing in the PR department while Marvel is…
The Apple/Microsoft Analogy is actually funny to me because, I love to JOKE about how Marvel’s Cinematic Universe is doing great PR about looking progressive. And I am crazy excited about the Rock and Drogo getting to be powerhouses in the DC Cinematic Universe…DC, evil? No. DC putting it’s foot in it’s mouth sometimes, but I love their comics just as much as I love Marvel’s.
I laugh over elf’s analogy because I really don’t like Apple and prefer MS ^_^
I’m glad you like it. You know me. I love my DC heroes, but I’m barely reading anything DC right now because I’m not digging the execution (I think I’m down to just Flash). On the other hand, Marvel’s Ms Marvel, All New Ghost Rider, and Captain Marvel have my loyalty right now. I’m also about 3 months behind because work and cosplay. It’s funny that for all my heart belongs mostly to DC characters, I’m enjoying more Marvel stuff right now — and the PR by both DC corporate and individual creators that need PR training are a big part of that.
I really want Marvel to do Falcon, Black Panther, Black Widow, and Captain Marvel tentpole movies because the while maleness of the MCU is getting really absurd. I am so incredibly not hyped for Superman vs Batman, but I’m going to see it because 1) I like Cavil”s Supes reasonably well and 2) I am extremely stoked for the promised Justice League cameos of Wonder Woman, Cyborg, and Aquaman. They need to go ahead and formally announce The Rock and Momoa — use this weekend to get full hype behind it.
I prefer MS overall too, but like DC they really need to work on how they’re viewed by the general public. Haha.
Hey Korra Nation! Phew. Some of you may have heard versions of this news elsewhere, but here’s the official word. After this Friday’s on-air premiere of Episode 8 “The Terror Within” at 8/7c, all remaining Book 3 episodes will move to a digital rollout. That means two things: 1) Korra is NOT cancelled, 2) the remaining episodes will roll out weekly on Nick.com and the Nick app beginning August 1, as well as on platforms like Amazon, Google Play, Xbox and Hulu.
Thousands of you have been asking to watch this incredible show online, so hopefully this news works in your favor. Mike and Bryan created a breath-taking season for us all…so get ready to watch it all go down!!!
Thanks for being the BEST fans in the industry and see you at Comic-Con.
Welp. I guess this means Korra has been pulled from TV indefinitely if not permanently. Upside, it will probably make playing catch up easier since I’m two seasons behind.
I swear the entire DC Comics versus Marvel shenanigans is like Microsoft versus Apple. Both companies do great stuff. But companies do a lot of not good stuff. Both deserve praise for the good and shaming for the bad. And yet… because DC is more or less failing in the PR department while Marvel is really good at spinning up their good stuff there’s this overwhelming attitude of DC being the “evil” company while Marvel is the “good” company. Anyone that spends a decent amount of time trying to look at it objectively can see most of the mudslinging between the fans of the companies is mostly (to borrow an old phrase) “the pot calling the kettle black”.
By creating quality comics of powerful female superheroes, the comic book world is opening up to a new audience of women and girls as well as giving already hooked fans more of the powerful women they’ve come to know and love.
DC Comics, another major player in comics, has also joined the trend of bringing female characters to the forefront. It has “Wonder Woman” flying solo in a self-titled series, as well as “Supergirl” and even Batman characters like “Batgirl,” “Catwoman” and “Harley Quinn.”
The above (from the Huffington Post) is a sign of why good PR is important, and why DC really, really needs to step up on the issue of diversity in superhero comics.
The HuffPo piece (and this Daily Beast piece from the weekend) point out not just how well the Marvel Hype Machine works these days in framing the narrative but almost more importantly just how badly DC does the same thing (It also points out how eagerly journalists for major news outlets eat up talking points instead of going out and researching things sometimes, but that’s neither here nor there).
In all of the news about the replacement Captain America, it’s surprising that no-one — myself included — brought up that DC has had a black Superman for the last few months in Earth-2 (or longer, if you want to look at Grant Morrison’s continued use of the Superman from Earth-23). With all the push about diversity in Marvel, no-one pointed out that the publisher doesn’t have a solo gay lead, whereas DC’s been putting Batwoman out there for the last three years (Not to mention Green Lantern in Earth-2 or Constantine, who’s bi, I think? He was in Hellblazer, but who can tell in the New 52?).
These are all alternate talking points that DC could (should?) be pushing out there in order to point out that, really, it’s not got a “crisis” or playing catch-up; it’s been there for some time, but not making the same kind of look at us look at us we have friends who aren’t white straight males noises as Marvel whenever it makes these decisions. But, instead, they just sit back and… I don’t know. Hope that someone notices?
(All of which shouldn’t be taken as a “Marvel, you are terrible,” or whatever — it’s not, and its PR machine is very good at what it does — but as a “DC, at this point, you’re practically causing your own bad press.”)
Ya know something interesting about the Marvel/DC ‘rivalry’ on tumblr?
Everyone acts like DC is this super regressive company compared to Marvel when DC really did more progressive stuff first and is still doing so.
Women as heroes? DC’s had Wonder Woman as one of their three major heroes forever, but everyone ignores that because “But she doesn’t have a movie yet” (more on that later)
While Marvel can claim the first black hero in comics with Black Panther, DC actually had heroes talking explicitly about race with John Stewart and Hal Jordan, and did a lot of issues with progressiveism and liberalism vs convsativism in the Green Arrow/Green Lantern series (including a black person calling out Hal on how little he did to fight oppression on earth as he did the rest of the universe), and Green Arrow and Hawkeye arguing politics was a common thread of their time on the JLA together.
Black Lightning was the first African-American superhero with no criminal record (Luke Cage did get his powers in prison, it’s kinda stereotypical)
DC itself actually funded and published Milestone comics, a comics company entirely devoted to more diverse comics. If you’ve ever heard of Static you owe DC comics.
Marvel has never had anything even remotely equivalent.
When it comes to LGBT stuff, DC comics had a lesbian Batwoman and a lesbian woman taking over from a male hero in The Question. While not a hero explicitly DC has a transwoman supporting character in Batgirl. (And I’m not even counting the trans characters in Vertigo books.) It has Alan Scott being gay in the Nu52 continuity, I know Grace Choi was bisexual pre-reboot (I don’t know the current status) Had a gay black teen hero in the Superboy & the Ravers comic in the 90s, as well as the character of Obsidian who was a major supporting character in the JSA.
The idea of characters of color or a different gender taking the place of legacy characters is nothing new for DC. Like I mentioned, a lesbian Latin@ became the Question, there was an asian woman hero Doctor Light, a black woman Doctor Midnight, a Latina became the new Wildcat.
Now I mentioned I’d get back to movies later on and, let’s look at DC & Marvels movies in terms of ethnicity here, most notably the recent casting rumors.
Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson basically said he’d be playing Shazam. Shazam, a previously white hero, played by a Black & Samoan man.
Aquaman, if rumors are to be believed, will be played by Jason Momoa. Aquaman, a white blonde haired, blue eyed hero, played by a Samoan man.
Meanwhile over at Marvel….Well Falcon and Rhodey get to exist, but they’re up to this point still just little more than sidekicks to the white heroes in the movies. Marvel makes a movie about a superhero team and goes “Yeah, everyone is still white as they were in the 1960s.” DC looks at their superhero team and says “We need to make the team more diverse, even if it means changing the race of the heroes” and people act like they’re some super regressive company.
I’m fine with folks preferring one company over the other. I’m fine with folks being excited Marvel is having legacy characters change race and/or gender with who gets to pick up the legacy.
But as a lifelong comic fan it’s kinda annoying to see people praising Marvel as super progressive for doing shit DC did in the 80s and still does to this day.
Especially when with Marvel it’s coming across far more as a blatant publicity grabs.
Also yeah no wonder woman movie but it’s not like we have a black widow movie do we
There was a great piece written earlier this week that basically pointed out that for all the accolades many (myself included) are showering Marvel with over introducing a black Captain America and a female Thor, their MCU is still largely white as hell.
We’ll see if that’s still the case after SDCC this week (I’m hoping for Captain Marvel and Black Panther to finally be announced) but yeah, they pointed out in the grand scheme of things the comics are far more of a low risk venture than actually greenlighting a movie with a non-white protagonist or a female superhero, which they still have not done after two whole Phases.
This post is great.
On shit DC has done right and doesn’t get credit for lately, aside from the other post I just reblogged, it doesn’t mention that the first textually out of the closet super person between DC and Marvel was DC Comic’s Pied Piper, coming out to this friend The Flash almost a full year before Marvel’s Northstar was explicitly stated to be gay. It was a full issue story where Flash was ham-handed in how he responded to the information and spent most of the entire issue learning to what he had wrong about homosexuality and how to be properly supportive and to continue treating Piper normally. Pre-nu52 reboot, DC had the most iconic disabled superhero in Oracle, the center pillar of her own team and a trusted resource and ally to practically every hero in the DCU. nu52 Teen Titans featured a gay undocumented Mexican immigrant in Bunker. Jaime Reyes is the best know Blue Beetle these days. Wally West (a Flash) has been re-cast as African American, the Future Flash Danica Williams is black. Also unmentioned is that DC’s casting for movie Wonder Woman is Israeli, and the Justice League they’re setting up in Superman vs Batman includes the African American superhero Cyborg. Based on the current announcements and rumors, if DC actually gets to making the films beyond Superman and Batman, those two are currently the only white male superheroes slated for their new movieverse line-up. Which is a big if, I admit because they’re still getting that ball rolling, but compared to Marvel that has a dozen films under their belt and still can’t fathom a tentpole film starring a POC and/or a woman, a superhero team film with more than one woman or people of color at all (without making them body-paint humanoid aliens). Marvel deserves some side-eye there when DC is at least planning for diversity right out of the gate.
Not to dismiss the shit DC does pull, because they were my intro to superheroes that’s where a lot of my spandex-clad favorites lie and I am all the harder on them for not getting the universe I’m more invested in “right.” The portrayals in several cases could be better. They could do more, but they’re not actually doing that much less than Marvel from a comics perspective (and they haven’t gotten a movie universe off the ground yet because WB wanted to finish the Harry Potter films first — I fear these idiots missed the hype boat), they’re mostly failing at the PR side.