ElfGrove

I don’t know what world you live in, but mine’s full of shades of grey with very little black and white. Sure, it’s complicated and uncomfortable that way, but it has so much more depth and meaning — it’s worth the difficulty.

DC: Future's End. So bleak. What a disaster. Good thing it will never ever happen.
Me: I will sell you my first born for this Batfamily.
arcadysabo:

elfgrove:

timsaturday:

youarenotdesi:

M.I.A. shitting on ignorant opinions

This isn’t a Nazi Swastika what so ever, as a JEW I can recognize this unlike some people.
Gonna quote straight from wikipedia here.

It is a symbol among the ancient Celts, Indians, and Greeks,[2]as well as in later Buddhism,[4]Jainism,[5]Hinduism,[6][4]and Nazism,[3][4]among other cultures and religions.[4][2]
The word swastika derives from the Sanskrit root ssu(“Good”),asti(“to be”),[4][6]andka(making)[6]The older term gammadion cross derives from its appearance, which is identical to four Greek gamma letters affixed to each other.

What I find interesting is that this is actually a very very good representation of what can happen when white people culturally appropriate something.The Swastika, long before the Nazis came about and started brandishing their own bastardization of it, had a strong religious and cultural significance to a LOT of people.
It didn’t represent anything evil, it didn’t represent a dictatorship that perpetuated one of the most well known genocides taught today.
It only started having this horrible association in the 1920’s when the Nazi party appropriated it as for their logo.
White people, white supremacists, taking something with an already well established past and meaning; and placing their own over it.
Because of these people, swastikas that do not have anything to do with the Nazi party are demonized in most people’s eyes because they don’t know any better, because white people wiped out it’s original meaning in white culture.
People seriously need to learn some history.THIS is the sort of damage that cultural appropriation can do in the long run.

Took less than 100 years to erase the original cultural significance and replace it with the appropriated version.

Yeah, except….
I know the history as a luck symbol.  I know it held a lot of religious significance for hundreds of years.
I also know that this symbol sends people I know into panic attacks.  This symbol has people I know rubbing at their arms, tracing numbers that were etched into them ages ago.  This symbol fills me with a powerless rage because this symbol was hurled in my face when I was beaten.
It has religious significance, but to assert that ‘People seriously need to learn some history’? Kindly go fuck yourself.  The assertion that people who were terrorized by people wearing swastikas shouldn’t view swastikas as anything less than a symbol of pure and utter evil strikes me as dangerously naive.  It erases and invalidates people’s experiences with the symbol.
M.I.A. has every right to wear that symbol, but neither she nor it exists in a vacuum.  We live in far too complicated a world to insist that her interpretation is the only valid one.

I suppose I should have clarified. Let me do so now.
The primary purpose of this post as I understood it was showing an example of the depth, speed, and breadth of damage cultural appropriation is capable of. It is a damn shame that cultural appropriation has erased the original meaning of this symbol. 
Despite popular misconception, the Nazi Swastika is not a reversed version, it has appeared throughout history in many orientations before the Nazis took it. Please don’t say ”luck symbol”, it was not a “luck symbol” in all of the cultures it was a part of prior to the appropriation and further erases the original meaning [x].
People who have had a symbol of their culture and history stolen and twisted have a right to be angry about that. They may even have a right to attempt to reclaim it.
However, given what it was used for and because in the length of a single lifetime it has come to be synonymous with the terrible actions of the Nazis and the Holocaust, it is not easy to nor simple to display that symbol anymore regardless of intent.
Because of both these things, the swastika is controversial.
It is not as simple as a “fuck you” from either side of the stance, and what happened from all sides is a tragedy of varying proportions. Most cultures where it once held great meaning no longer use or display it because of what the Nazis did, and out of respect and sympathy for the victims of that. It is worth noting not every understanding and interpretation of things is rooted in Western culture. That young people of these cultures are attempting to reclaim their symbol is interesting, but certainly a controversial move. Certainly not a movement, I would be willing to undertake.

arcadysabo:

elfgrove:

timsaturday:

youarenotdesi:

M.I.A. shitting on ignorant opinions

This isn’t a Nazi Swastika what so ever, as a JEW I can recognize this unlike some people.

Gonna quote straight from wikipedia here.

It is a symbol among the ancient Celts, Indians, and Greeks,[2]as well as in later Buddhism,[4]Jainism,[5]Hinduism,[6][4]and Nazism,[3][4]among other cultures and religions.[4][2]

The word swastika derives from the Sanskrit root ssu(“Good”),asti(“to be”),[4][6]andka(making)[6]The older term gammadion cross derives from its appearance, which is identical to four Greek gamma letters affixed to each other.

What I find interesting is that this is actually a very very good representation of what can happen when white people culturally appropriate something.

The Swastika, long before the Nazis came about and started brandishing their own bastardization of it, had a strong religious and cultural significance to a LOT of people.

It didn’t represent anything evil, it didn’t represent a dictatorship that perpetuated one of the most well known genocides taught today.

It only started having this horrible association in the 1920’s when the Nazi party appropriated it as for their logo.

White people, white supremacists, taking something with an already well established past and meaning; and placing their own over it.

Because of these people, swastikas that do not have anything to do with the Nazi party are demonized in most people’s eyes because they don’t know any better, because white people wiped out it’s original meaning in white culture.

People seriously need to learn some history.
THIS is the sort of damage that cultural appropriation can do in the long run.

Took less than 100 years to erase the original cultural significance and replace it with the appropriated version.

Yeah, except….

I know the history as a luck symbol.  I know it held a lot of religious significance for hundreds of years.

I also know that this symbol sends people I know into panic attacks.  This symbol has people I know rubbing at their arms, tracing numbers that were etched into them ages ago.  This symbol fills me with a powerless rage because this symbol was hurled in my face when I was beaten.

It has religious significance, but to assert that ‘People seriously need to learn some history’? Kindly go fuck yourself.  The assertion that people who were terrorized by people wearing swastikas shouldn’t view swastikas as anything less than a symbol of pure and utter evil strikes me as dangerously naive.  It erases and invalidates people’s experiences with the symbol.

M.I.A. has every right to wear that symbol, but neither she nor it exists in a vacuum.  We live in far too complicated a world to insist that her interpretation is the only valid one.

I suppose I should have clarified. Let me do so now.

The primary purpose of this post as I understood it was showing an example of the depth, speed, and breadth of damage cultural appropriation is capable of. It is a damn shame that cultural appropriation has erased the original meaning of this symbol.

Despite popular misconception, the Nazi Swastika is not a reversed version, it has appeared throughout history in many orientations before the Nazis took it. Please don’t say ”luck symbol”, it was not a “luck symbol” in all of the cultures it was a part of prior to the appropriation and further erases the original meaning [x].

People who have had a symbol of their culture and history stolen and twisted have a right to be angry about that. They may even have a right to attempt to reclaim it.

However, given what it was used for and because in the length of a single lifetime it has come to be synonymous with the terrible actions of the Nazis and the Holocaust, it is not easy to nor simple to display that symbol anymore regardless of intent.

Because of both these things, the swastika is controversial.

It is not as simple as a “fuck you” from either side of the stance, and what happened from all sides is a tragedy of varying proportions. Most cultures where it once held great meaning no longer use or display it because of what the Nazis did, and out of respect and sympathy for the victims of that. It is worth noting not every understanding and interpretation of things is rooted in Western culture. That young people of these cultures are attempting to reclaim their symbol is interesting, but certainly a controversial move. Certainly not a movement, I would be willing to undertake.

timsaturday:

youarenotdesi:

M.I.A. shitting on ignorant opinions

This isn’t a Nazi Swastika what so ever, as a JEW I can recognize this unlike some people.
Gonna quote straight from wikipedia here.

It is a symbol among the ancient Celts, Indians, and Greeks,[2]as well as in later Buddhism,[4]Jainism,[5]Hinduism,[6][4]and Nazism,[3][4]among other cultures and religions.[4][2]
The word swastika derives from the Sanskrit root ssu(“Good”),asti(“to be”),[4][6]andka(making)[6]The older term gammadion cross derives from its appearance, which is identical to four Greek gamma letters affixed to each other.

What I find interesting is that this is actually a very very good representation of what can happen when white people culturally appropriate something.The Swastika, long before the Nazis came about and started brandishing their own bastardization of it, had a strong religious and cultural significance to a LOT of people.
It didn’t represent anything evil, it didn’t represent a dictatorship that perpetuated one of the most well known genocides taught today.
It only started having this horrible association in the 1920’s when the Nazi party appropriated it as for their logo.
White people, white supremacists, taking something with an already well established past and meaning; and placing their own over it.
Because of these people, swastikas that do not have anything to do with the Nazi party are demonized in most people’s eyes because they don’t know any better, because white people wiped out it’s original meaning in white culture.
People seriously need to learn some history.THIS is the sort of damage that cultural appropriation can do in the long run.

Took less than 100 years to erase the original cultural significance and replace it with the appropriated version.

timsaturday:

youarenotdesi:

M.I.A. shitting on ignorant opinions

This isn’t a Nazi Swastika what so ever, as a JEW I can recognize this unlike some people.

Gonna quote straight from wikipedia here.

It is a symbol among the ancient Celts, Indians, and Greeks,[2]as well as in later Buddhism,[4]Jainism,[5]Hinduism,[6][4]and Nazism,[3][4]among other cultures and religions.[4][2]

The word swastika derives from the Sanskrit root ssu(“Good”),asti(“to be”),[4][6]andka(making)[6]The older term gammadion cross derives from its appearance, which is identical to four Greek gamma letters affixed to each other.

What I find interesting is that this is actually a very very good representation of what can happen when white people culturally appropriate something.

The Swastika, long before the Nazis came about and started brandishing their own bastardization of it, had a strong religious and cultural significance to a LOT of people.

It didn’t represent anything evil, it didn’t represent a dictatorship that perpetuated one of the most well known genocides taught today.

It only started having this horrible association in the 1920’s when the Nazi party appropriated it as for their logo.

White people, white supremacists, taking something with an already well established past and meaning; and placing their own over it.

Because of these people, swastikas that do not have anything to do with the Nazi party are demonized in most people’s eyes because they don’t know any better, because white people wiped out it’s original meaning in white culture.

People seriously need to learn some history.
THIS is the sort of damage that cultural appropriation can do in the long run.

Took less than 100 years to erase the original cultural significance and replace it with the appropriated version.

kurozukin replied to your post: WHAT’S THIS CHAKOTAY AND JANEWAY TO LI…

I never really shipped Janeway/Chakotay but I was still really angry at how the show handled them

I don’t really ship it either, but I can see how that episode would put a lot of folk on that path. It set up an additional dimension to their dynamic that I’m sure the show won’t really do much with. I find I don’t recall large chunks of the series as accurately as I thought I did.

I adore both characters, Janeway is the most scientific-minded Star Trek captain we’ve really had and I appreciate that. I’ve always liked her. I really adore Chakotay’s character in general. While the continual return to a basic status quo is sort of a necessary inevitability of Star Trek anything (aside from the occasionally carefully planned running thread that takes longer to bounce back, like Paris’s insubordination in s2), the nature of Voyager makes it more glaringly obvious than others and at times is very poorly handled.

bethanythemartian replied to your post: WHAT’S THIS CHAKOTAY AND JANEWAY TO LI…

dammit Chakotay/Janeway was bb’s first ship for me and that episode was entirely at fault

I can certainly see why.

khamsin replied to your post: WHAT’S THIS CHAKOTAY AND JANEWAY TO LI…

yep, still one of my favorites and major fodder for my early shipper days <3

Haha. It’s just really shitty for the show to pull that episode then basically drop it. It did seem to come  bit out of left field —as a romantic thing— though. Up until now anytime romance/Janeway came up she has been very adamant about remaining loyal to her dog-sitter-boy back on Earth.

As far as Voyager characters with chemistry, I keep expecting Kim and Torres to hook up eventually.

WHAT’S THIS CHAKOTAY AND JANEWAY TO LIVE OUT THE REST OF THEIR LIVES TOGETHER STRANDED ON A PRETTY BUT UNINHABITED PLANET EPISODE? WHAT’S WITH THIS NOT-CONFESSION BY NOT-REALLY-AN-ANCIENT-TALE-OF-MY-PEOPLE-I’VE-JUST-KIND-OF-SWORN-TO-DEDICATE-MY-LIFE-TO-SUPPORTING-YOU? HOW YOU GONNA END THE EPISODE BACK AT STATUS QUO AND PRETENDING NOTHING HAPPENED BETWEEN THEM?!

HOW. DARE. YOU. SHOW.

gorogues:

Maaaaaaark….you suuuuuuck.
(I say it because I love).

gorogues:

Maaaaaaark….you suuuuuuck.

(I say it because I love).

gorogues:

Digger was soon to learn that crossing Amanda Waller is a poor idea.

gorogues:

Digger was soon to learn that crossing Amanda Waller is a poor idea.

FAVORITE CAPTAIN BOOMERANG (Digger) MOMENT?

It’s weird to think that Captain Boomerang will be appearing on Arrow before The Flash, and that his history will be that of an former ARGUS agent with a “deadly thirst for vengeance”. I gotta process that one for a bit.

I’m sure he’ll segue over to The Flash. He’s one of the primary Flash Rogues, and he’s first appearing the episode before the Arrow/Flash crossover.

Digger is going to played by Lebanese Nick Tarabay (IMDB), which is diversifying yay. Hopefully this will be while also cutting some of the icky racist history aspects of the character.

It’ll be interesting to see where they go with him.

We now have Weather Wizard, Captain Cold, Heatwave, and Captain Boomerang. I gotta say I’m ready for Pied Piper, Trickster, and Glider castings to be announced.